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Charm values

Tickle

Charm values, are they static or do they fluctuate?

I posted in another thread regarding charm values (pending approval again) but the numbers keep changing so I thought I'd make a new thread to ask the staff.

Does the coin value of a charm change during the day?
Is it random or is there some sort of cycle?

I noticed that unicorns seemed to be paying more than bats but that goes against what others have posted, bats are always listed with the highest coin values. I decided to do some testing. I confirmed the numbers by using Watt Ever's method of loading 1 charm in Mystic Billions and by using up 20 charms at a time in Sparkplug poker at $5000 x 100 hands, both methods produced the same coin value so it should be accurate for that point in time.

Test #1: 18 separate hands that all produced the same results, verified in Mystic Billions.
Bats - 4,196,762
Unicorns - 5,030,437
Mushrooms - 2,793,939

Here's where it gets weird. After posting that I went back to the game about 1/2 hour later and the numbers had changed in Sparkplug Poker. Again I tested a charm in Mystic Billions to make sure it was paying the same coin amount as poker and it was.
Test #2:
Bats - 4,620,000
Unicorns - 4,714,889
Mushrooms - didn't have any at the time

Let it sit another 5 or 6 hours then tried it again. Again tested a charm in Mystic Billions to verify then ran some hands of Sparkplug Poker.
Test #3:
Bats - didn't have any at the time
Unicorns - 4,931,003
Mushrooms - 3,956,000

Let it sit for another 6 or so hours, only tested in Sparkplug.
Test #4: Unicorns - 4,931,003 no change!

Several hours later, only tested in Sparkplug.
Test #5: Unicorns - 5,027,235

In all cases the coins paid the same regardless of what sort or size of win triggered them.
In all cases they were "fresh" charms that hadn't been played before. I would wait for a Jacks for better hand before loading the charms to ensure it was a maximum charm payout.

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  • Official comment
    Dougaroo

    How much a charm pays out on any given hand of cards or spin of a slot machine can vary quite a bit. It's based around the amount you won but there's a wide spread.

    However, the lifespan of a charm (how much it pays before it wears out) will vary but not by much for a given type of charm.

    Hope that helps clarify things a bit.

  • Tickle

    Thanks for the quick reply but it doesn't really address what I'm saying.

    The charms consistently paid out the same amount per hand over multiple hands. As long as you get a hit that triggers a maximum payout it is always the same (at that same point in time).

    Over the period of 1 day the total value of the charms changed multiple times, tested in 2 different games for accuracy. In the case of mushrooms it fluctuated by 30%.

    "However, the lifespan of a charm (how much it pays before it wears out) will vary but not by much for a given type of charm."
    Roughly how much should a charm vary?

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  • Tickle

    For clarity, on the first test I loaded up a mushroom into Mystic Billions, it paid out the following.

    360000
    440000
    370000
    480000
    25000
    25000
    390000
    340000
    363939
    Total 2,793,939

    I then did 6 tests in Sparkplug poker with 20 charms each time. Wins varied from 1 pair to 3 of a kind but every time a set of 5 mushroom charms paid out 13,969,695 coins which is equal to 2,793,939 each, the exact same amount as Mystic Billions. This was repeated with a bat on the second test, same result.

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  • Charlie 0

    Tickle, in previous conversations with Dougaroo, he has said that a charm pays out over a range of values. He did not divulge how wide any given charm's payout range might be, but I believe it to be static for that charm. At any rate, all this makes it very difficult to find the midpoint of that range. Hence, I've stopped measuring charm payouts. I think you've done all you can do by identifying Bats as having the best overall return. Yes, other charms can surpass Bats from time to time, but over the long haul, they remain the best bet.

    HoneyBadger, I believe that it does CW no good to expose the machinations of a game based on gambling. Dougaroo has opened up about as much as he dare. The element of chance must remain central to the game.

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  • Dougaroo

    Just to be clear, bet size makes no difference to the payout rates in any of our games.

    Everything works the same no matter if you bet a little or a lot.

    However, I'm aware that some players may be totally convinced that they see differences. I just wanted to leave this here in case others are reading the forums and actually might believe there's a difference in payout rates when you bet more or less. There isn't.

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